"My Brother Wronged Kenyans!"– Sister of Ali Salim Gichunge on Guilt & Forgiveness | Iko Nini Pt 2

🕊️ Part 2 of our conversation with Amina, older sister of Ali Salim Gichunge, the man named as the leader of the January 15, 2019 DusitD2 attack on 14 Riverside Drive, Nairobi, where 21 people were killed. Robo, who works with the National Counter Terrorism Centre (NCTC) on prevention, joins her with Mwaf and Rowbow. Amina talks about the media finding her after the attack, Ali's call from Somalia, and the anger that made her want nothing to do with Kenya: "My brother wronged Kenyans, but I am a Kenyan." She describes the first meeting with ATPU, CID and the NCTC, the counselling that followed, the day a victim's relative hugged her instead of blaming her, her mother's arrest and the "black widow" label, and how tailoring became her therapy. Robo explains how a normal boy becomes a violent extremist, why "terrorism starts with a local boy", the signs families can spot, why there are victims on both sides, and how disengagement, rehabilitation and reintegration work. Amina ends with an apology to the victims' families on behalf of Ali. Views and claims in this conversation are the guests' own. We remember the victims of the DusitD2 attack and their families. Missed Part 1? Watch it on the channel: "My Brother Led The Dusit Attack" – Who was Ali Salim Gichunge, His Sister Speaks. Should families of attackers be blamed? Tell us in the comments 👇 SIGN UP ON LemFi using the IKONINI referral code, click on this link https://referral.lemonade.finance/invite/jmbLoTGSeDjjrCQa9 Iko Nini is a Kenya podcast that covers everything Kenyan entertainment, politics & social issues SUPPORT IKO NINI THROUGH CASHAPP $IKONINI BECOME A MEMBER FOR EARLY ACCESS & EXCLUSIVE CONTENT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5h4-WH0LAV4CWs380yM33A/join CHAPTERS 0:00 Coming up 0:30 The breaking news & seeing Ali again 2:00 The neighbours & the mosque 3:00 Tracked down in Mombasa: the first interview 4:00 Ali's call from Somalia 6:30 Speaking up for her brother 8:00 'My brother wronged Kenyans, but I am a Kenyan' 9:00 The victim's family who hugged her 11:42 How the healing started: the NCTC 13:02 Facing ATPU, CID & the government 15:00 Too angry to be Kenyan: the ID & the anthem 19:08 Robo's visits & private sessions 24:00 Her mother & the only picture of Ali 27:00 Living with what he did 31:30 Mum's arrest & the 'black widow' label 34:00 Feeling alive again 37:00 Therapy & her sisters 39:35 Tailoring as therapy 42:18 'The mark stays': Robo on the Kenyan masterminds 44:00 How radicalisation works 48:24 'There are victims on both sides' 54:00 Survivors & the perpetrators' families 56:00 Prevention: why families need help too 59:24 'Terrorism starts with a local boy' 1:00:00 'You condemn the wrong person' 1:02:00 Ali, the protective brother 1:05:00 Could you spot radicalisation today? 1:08:21 'He ruined a whole generation' 1:11:24 Riverside: 'every day is a reminder' 1:16:06 Bullying as a turning point 1:17:24 Other cases: the Philippines, a US plot & Libya 1:18:14 Disengagement, rehab & reintegration 1:24:37 The survivors' clips that gave her peace 1:31:14 Empathy for victims vs the anger 1:35:00 Healing takes years 1:36:00 'We are resilient' 1:38:34 Paying for a sin that isn't ours 1:40:00 On behalf of Ali: the family's apology 1:43:36 'The family gets two life sentences' 1:45:12 He was 28: his body & the family's questions 1:46:24 Outro: episode 770 #IkoNini #Dusit #DusitD2 #Kenya #KenyanPodcast